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May 31, 2026 at 1:42 pm in reply to: Opening a discussion about lighting and using LUTs on set #236940
A Rec.709/P3 display LUT on set works most of the time if you want straightforward, standard image contrast and saturation. Sure, you may prefer a personal LUT with a tweak towards slightly deeper blacks, etc. If you have a DIT on set, they can do adjustments like that using ASC CDL values on top of the basic LUT.
The problem becomes when you want a more stylized final look in terms of contrast, like the look of a higher-level ENR or skip-bleach print let’s say. Then it would be helpful to have a LUT with that look so your lighting is taking it into account (or a DIT that can adjust the LUT on set). That’s when it becomes more important to create a LUT in prep based on tests. Otherwise, if you can’t create that LUT, you may have to rely more on your light meter as a guide… but it does beg the question if that display image on set is inaccurate, what is your plan for dailies, which usually use the same LUT as on set? Or is this a one-off sort of thing like a 2-day commercial or short film where you color-correct the dailies after the shoot is over?
Ideally you are making the decision based on story reasons — does the background add any important narrative detail or set the appropriate mood for the performance to play against, or is it distracting to the story and performance (keep in mind that a hot window can also be distracting sometimes.) And if (a big “if”) realism is important for the story, does the balance between the interior and exterior feel believable, natural?
But the truth is that often you are also taking into account logistical issues. Will the real background keep changing throughout the day as you film coverage, creating matching issues? Is the background correct for the period of the story (maybe there is some anachronistic element that needs to be de-emphasized)? Is the background correct at all (maybe the location is a cheat for another location)? Can the background be shot at the correct time of day for the story or will you be filming past sunset into dusk for a day scene? How much control do you actually have over that background (maybe you’re in a skyscraper on the 50th floor and the windows are too large to gel)?
And then there are similar practical considerations. Will the background always stay in the background or will the actor move to the window and be followed by the camera, making the background more prominent?
Break it down…
Fall-off rate: get the light as close to the subject as possible because the fall-off rate becomes less steep the further away a light it (inverse square law).
Warmth: use a light that has a color temperature lower than what the camera is set for.
Softness: the larger the source relative to the subject, the softer the shadows. A bounce surface or a diffusion frame is the source in this case, not the light hitting it.
Besides those three things, you have angle of the light (in this case, from the side and slightly low) and the contrast (in this case, no fill and maybe negative fill as well, combined with the fast fall-off, combined with your camera’s gamma settings and black level for display/conversion from log/raw.)
It’s a cult film now, I’ve had many young people on set, in production offices, at trade shows, etc. come up to me and express their love of this film.
If the practicals are 2700K, whether you set the camera to 2700K, 3000K, 3200K, 3400K, etc. just depends on the degree of warmth you want — it’s a creative choice.
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This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by
dmullenasc.
Unfortunately you’ve run into the major issue with tenting a location for filming night scenes during the day — when you need to put your lamps far away and high enough to get a good moonlight effect. Obviously the first solution — besides going back to shooting those shots at night with no tent — is to build the tent as large as possible!
Another possibility is to shoot day for night, perhaps even just blacking out the view through the windows with a wall of black but shooting light from over the top of the wall. You’d have to avoid the real sun coming through if you wanted more control, or use the sun as the moon. But inside you’d have a hard time balancing with dim sources like flashlights and candles… (and heavy ND gel on windows creates its own issues/problems.)
You could see if a mirror mounted at the top of the tent, if it is tall enough, could be used to bounce a source on the ground to get a better beam. You could also try using Lekos as your moonlight since they need less space to create a beam.
Experience sort of teaches you how, let’s say, a chest-up close-up is going to feel on a big screen as opposed to a neck-up close-up… but also most movies even today shoot tests in prep and watch the tests on a theater-sized screen in a D.I. suite so they can judge the results accurately, so there is some feedback from the start about screen sizes.
But the truth is that each movie sets up its own language in regard to shot size that the audience quickly gets used to. Occasionally when you shoot super-tight close-ups and see them later on the big screen, you sometimes feel that perhaps it’s too tight, too much detail, seeing every nose hair and pore… but hopefully you felt that way when filming the shot on set and had time to back off if necessary.
What is the alternative to “lighting to the display LUT”?
Because lighting by viewing a flat log image — i.e. no display gamma LUT applied — isn’t necessarily going to give you more accurate results. Log images usually place the highlights rather low in the IRE scale in order to hold bright detail in the overexposure range, so if you light by looking at a log image, you tend to overexpose it in order to make the whites look white and the highlights look bright enough. Even in the days of photochemical post, you lit negative film based on how it would look in a contact print, which is a form of a LUT, limiting the dynamic range to what the print stock can display, which is why you lit for that range, not for what the negative could capture.
For the most part, using a P3 theatrical display LUT is fine if the final result is both for a film-out and a DCP. The Print Emulation LUT is mainly just to make sure you don’t push colors in color-correction outside of the reproduction capability of Vision print stock, it’s not particularly a “print look” LUT, it’s more of a technical limit to color space. It would be hard to think of a lighting situation where you would need to work within that limit, you would just have to keep in mind in deeply colored lighting situations that the colors in a film-out to be printed will be limited by what the print stock can reproduce.
The differences become pretty minor other than output and spread once you put them through a diffusion frame.
March 21, 2026 at 7:51 am in reply to: Anamorphic on Mini LF: 4.3K LF for extra reframing room? #222681The problem with anamorphic lenses is that if the squeeze factor is 2X and your final unsqueezed aspect ratio is 2.40 : 1, then the sensor area used is very squarish — 1.20 : 1. Since the LF sensor is 25mm tall rather than 18mm, if you record 4.5K 3:2 Open Gate, 3096 pixels tall, you gain some vertical area for stabilization (plus extra horizontal area that you won’t need as much for 2.40 anamorphic). I wouldn’t record 4.3K 16×9 — you need to record more height, not a 16×9 area.
I believe the movie cut the 65mm negative and made 70mm contact prints so the only D.I. work would have been for titles, VFX composites, etc. (other than for the digital release). Don’t know the input/output resolution for those shots.
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This reply was modified 6 months, 2 weeks ago by
dmullenasc.
Thanks!
1. Contrast ratio is a creative choice based on the dramatic needs of the scene.
2. The softer the key light becomes, the less you tend to worry about fill light levels because the key is wrapping so much into the shadows.
If it’s overcast, it should work. You might consider using a heavy ND so you can shoot closer to an f2.8, which is more like what you’d have in real night photography — however there may be a stylistic reason to use deep focus. There are day-for-night shots early in “Wyatt Earp” that Owen Roizman chose to shoot at a deep stop because that was the general look they wanted for the movie. The day-for-night in “Mad Max: Fury Road” is another example of a stylized deep-focus night look.
You can run modern 35mm film stock through a 1920s camera, the standard hasn’t changed. Steve Gainer, ASC recently did an ASC Master Class where he filmed an actor on two 1920s cameras, I think one was a Pathe Professional from the late teens! He used Kodak Double-X emulsion. Coppola’s “Dracula” used silent era cameras for a scene when Dracula arrives in London, with modern color stocks — the footage looked so “normal” that they ended up duping it a few times to look grainier, like an Autochrome image.
The camera has to be in good working order. They aren’t easy to frame and focus on, no reflex viewing, tiny lenses, etc. You often pre-focused through a viewing tube looking at the gate with a piece of frosted gel in there, like a groundglass (you used to be able to focus through the film itself before they had anti-halation backings.) The mags are tiny, you need short loads. By the 1920s though you had Mitchells and Bell & Howell cameras that took 400′ loads. Talk to Steve Gainer, who runs the ASC Museum.
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