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  • in reply to: Cove light considerations #218201
    dmullenasc
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      As a general rule:

      1. You light the wide shots first to establish the look (color, contrast, and angle) of the lighting. This means it’s a judgement call based on your taste and experience as to how far you can later alter the light for the tighter shots.

      2. If the tighter shot is along the same axis as the wider one, just a tighter view, you often adjust the wide-shot lighting, not re-light from scratch. For one reason, even if you adjust the lighting of the subject, you don’t want to have to re-light the background… so if both the subject and the background was lit with the same light source, you try and find a way of adjusting the foreground without changing the background.

      in reply to: Unable to put photos into reply to post #218135
      dmullenasc
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        I’m still getting the “there has been a critical error” when I try putting a photo into a reply.

        in reply to: Contrast control in wide-angle lenses #218124
        dmullenasc
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          You generally don’t switch to lighting a wide shot after you’ve lit the close-up — you light the wide shot first, which determines the feeling of the lighting, the direction & softness. Once you go in closer, you can decide how much you can alter what was established in the wide shot.

          in reply to: Pull/Push Processing #218094
          dmullenasc
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            Look at the Gulf War flashbacks with Meg Ryan in “Courage Under Fire”.

            in reply to: Exposing film for Bleach Bypass #217963
            dmullenasc
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              Skipping the bleach step leaves silver where there is color dye density, so if done to the negative, the highlights get denser (hotter) and if done to a print, the shadows get denser (darker).

              So it is not unusual to underexpose by a stop when doing it to the negative to avoid too much overexposure in the highlights. Black level is a digital setting in digital color-correction. The only issue is how much shadow detail you want if you set black to zero.

              in reply to: framing for different aspect ratios with monitor #217493
              dmullenasc
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                Some monitors will allow you to darken the area outside the frame lines without resorting to blacking it out. There are reasons why a DP/Operator would want to see outside the theatrical frame lines, like to protect a larger area for either TV or VFX/post work or a taller IMAX version… or to simply see things about to enter the frame before they do.

                in reply to: Shooting anamorphic with deep focus, is there any point? #217492
                dmullenasc
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                  Kurosawa shot deep focus with longer anamorphic lenses in the 1960s — it’s just a matter of stopping down the lens. The depth of field with anamorphic is just lower because the focal lengths are longer, but jumping up from Super-35 to FF35 is not a big difference — in terms of anamorphic, if the 35mm sensor area was 18mm tall and the FF35 area was 24mm tall, that’s a 1.33X difference so that is also how much you’d have to stop down to match depth of field once you matched field of view and distance. So getting more depth of field in anamorphic is not insurmountable either by using more light or a higher ISO.

                  With 35mm film, the advantage of anamorphic over cropping spherical was the larger negative area for less grain, better resolution (though at wide apertures, often spherical lenses are sharper) but that’s less of an issue with digital where the main reason to shoot anamorphic is the anamorphic look (flares, stretched bokeh, some barrel distortion.) If you want a shallow focus or deep focus look, then you can shoot either spherical or anamorphic.

                  dmullenasc
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                    I’d be willing to do it when all three of us are free to talk.

                    in reply to: False Color and LUT Workflow #217206
                    dmullenasc
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                      Think of it this way, in the days before digital when film was printed, if we did a lighting contrast ratio test, we printed and projected the results. So we were picking a lighting ratio based on, or factoring in, the contrast of the print stock. The equivalent today would be the viewing display LUT.

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                      in reply to: The human face #217182
                      dmullenasc
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                        Soft lighting was not uncommon in the Silent Era, between natural sunlight being used through cloth on outdoor stages to later when the Cooper-Hewitt lamps were being used. But first Cooper-Hewitts disappeared when sound came along (they were noisy) and to get enough exposure, multiple tungsten lamps were used which had larger bulbs in them (Mazda globes) so a push was made to make tungsten more “precise” in fresnel fixtures, less of a floodlit look was desired. And as film stocks got faster (about 32 ASA for Pan-X in the 1930s until 64 ASA Plus-X came along in 1938), one could do more careful projected lighting effects along with achieving more depth of field. So the classic studio style lighting evolved in the 1930s by choice, not because they didn’t know how to do soft lighting. And it worked well with b&w where you are trying to create depth and separation.

                        But soft lighting started to appear again in the 1960s on color films when the stock was 50 ASA. But it wasn’t easy to light larger spaces with soft light as opposed to just some close-ups. David Watkin famously lit the set for “Marat/Sade” with one big soft light window — which had 26 10Ks behind a frame of muslin. The African landscape set in “2001” was lit with hundreds of 1K globes. Even today if you ask for a couple hundred of space lights, tungsten or LED, to light a large set for overcast daylight, you will be fighting with the production manager to spend that much money.

                        in reply to: Lighting differences #217157
                        dmullenasc
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                          Sure, there are differences in color rendition from using bi-color, RGB, RGBW, etc. LEDs and tungsten light — you can see that by looking at spectrum chart, the cheaper LEDs have a “spikey” RGB plot.  As they add more color LEDs outside of RGB, they fill in some of the gaps and create a smoother range.  On skin tones, you may see the effect of less saturation from LEDs or too much saturation in some wavelength range (some lean towards adding too much magenta to skin for example).  When a source light is not continuous-spectrum enough, you lose some color complexity and richness — that can lead to a somewhat blander “band-aid tan/pink” rendition in Caucasian skin for example. But as I said, LEDs are getting better all the time in addressing this.

                          Practically-speaking, sure, LEDs are far too useful to be ignored and most of the time, the effect on skin tones is not noticed unless one does a side-by-side comparison with tungsten.

                          Tim Kang does a lot of research into this:

                          in reply to: Guiding Principals #217134
                          dmullenasc
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                            The show LUT is a personal choice. You need a basic conversion from log gamma to a display gamma (Rec.709 or P3) just to view the material with something close to a normal contrast.

                            But how far you tweak that from the standard is up to you, your taste, and the look desired for the project. Ultimately the LUT is just for monitoring on set and for generating dailies — you’re going to have total freedom to change things in the final grade if necessary.

                            Lighting should be a creative act more than a technical one. If you’re worried about working too close to the noise floor, then select a lower base ISO. If you want to light for more contrast, darker shadows, or a deeper stop, etc. then light for that because that’s the look you want, not because of some technical reason like wanting to stay above the noise floor. Your base ISO should keep you from getting too much noise unless you try lifting the shadows for more detail in post. So don’t do that, light for the amount of shadow detail you want.

                            in reply to: Guiding Principals #217124
                            dmullenasc
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                              Far too much emphasis is placed on LUTs — 99% of the look of Roger’s cinematography is composition and lighting, and 1% is the LUT.

                              Study how he composes and lights his scenes and stop thinking about his LUT.

                              in reply to: Light density #216945
                              dmullenasc
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                                If you’ve ever spent time shooting scenes against blue and greenscreens, you can understand why most cinematographers would rather have anything else! LED screens, grey screens, a painted drop, etc. It’s very hard to balance the light in a day interior — and get the ambience right — relative to the windows… when there is no view. You lose a lot of the reflectivity around the room with light bouncing around and reflecting off of surfaces when you have a big bluescreen out the window.

                                in reply to: Western Saloon – lighting from outside #216937
                                dmullenasc
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                                  Enlarged by me to see the light peeking out behind the curtain:

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