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Grading request (5 replies and 8 comments)

au
4 months ago
au 4 months ago

Hi Roger, 

hope you're doing good! I was wondering if there is any chance to get a raw clip of a shot from one of the movie you shot. Do you think it is somehow possible?

Have a lovely day wherever you are,

Ale

 

Mike
4 months ago
Mike 4 months ago

Ale,

Do you know the name of the movie?

au
4 months ago

Ciao Mike, maybe unbroken or sicario

Mike
4 months ago

That’s a very strange request but as you probably know that these films are protected by strict copyright laws. You will have to make a request the copyright owners which could be comprised of numorous production company’s, they may all have equal share so you will have to contact each individual firm who may ask the reason for such a request, it will take ages not to mention the costs in doing so. You may regret asking! Nobody does anything for nothing these days.

au
4 months ago

Got it! The request is strange, I know, the reason behind it is that it is more or less one year that me and my grader are trying to study how to get that sort of magical aura that only movies have. Every time I shoot and then grade, even if I'm trying my best, there is always something when I look at the final picture that is far from a film look.I don't know neither how to explain it, maybe sometimes it is just psychological. I know that it depend on infinite factors as light, lenses, set design, costumes, etc etc, so we wanted to see if starting from the same base we could achieve the exact same look and understand better my mistakes. You know, would be interesting to go on one of that kind of film set or hanging around in technicolor during grading, but unfortunately it's kind of difficult. But from what you told me, maybe it's easier than get an ungraded shot hahah. Thanks anyway mike!

simon m
4 months ago
simon m 4 months ago

Not Roger, but I doubt that would be possible, as those films and all the footage are owned by the Studios that produced them. But you could easily search online for someone's footage or stills shot with an Alexa.

au
4 months ago

Hi Simon, thanks for your reply. I'm also shooting with an Alexa, but of course I'm still far away from having a raw file that looks like Roger's one!

simon m
4 months ago

Hi Ale, I don't know. I just watched your 'Wake Up Call" and thought the lighting and grade were excellent. Camera work also. Too bad you're not in California, we'd be interested in talking with you about.

simon m
4 months ago

oops - about a project.

Lupoter
4 months ago
Lupoter 4 months ago

I think the "film look" is really a matter of the collaboration of all departments and a common artistic vision. Roger and his colleagues are the best of the world and are constantly evolving the aesthetic we are calling "hollywood look", but in fact there isn't just this one "look". The mistake we have to be aware of, is not to try to just replicate the look of these productions, because they don't mind about a "filmic look", they have the artistic freedom to just get the aesthetic they need for the emotional state of the story. Of course we can try to learn the techniques of grading, lighting, composition etc. by replicating our admired films, but we will never reach this "aura" you were talking about, because we don't have the same artistic depth, we just care about the surface and not about the content. The german philosopher Hegel called this approach an "art- trick" compared to a deep "work of art". So the major thing we need to learn is to percieve, and not only to percieve colors/ light etc, but to percieve subtle emotional changes/ ambivalences for then beeing sensitive enough to bring this emotions on screen. This should be the main goal for every artist and if we really care about this, our aesthetics will evolve over time and one day, a new generation will look up and tries to recreate our "look" and will ask themselves, why they are not getting it right... 😉

 

Greetings from Germany!

Roger Deakins
4 months ago
Roger Deakins 4 months ago

I don't understand what you would learn from having an ungraded shot. All you would see is something that looks like the final film minus some small fluctuation in density and contrast. Yes, I do a window here and there and I also might adjust color but these are always minor adjustments. I can't think of a single shot, other than for 'O Brother Where Art Thou', where I have dramatically changed the recorded image.

David W
4 months ago

What do you mean by the density of the image? Is this just another term for how contrasty the image is?

Hans
4 months ago

By grading one of your shots and achieving the same end result, Alessandro and his team could learn (or exclude) that it's not lack of grading skills that hinders them from achieving the so desired 'film-look'.
And that the 'film-look' has much more to it than grading.
This could be an important step in focussing and recognizing more important aspects of film making.
I think many others on this forum could learn from it – myself included.

Roger Deakins
4 months ago
Roger Deakins 4 months ago

It really does make no sense for me to show a before and after image. If you have ever printed a photograph, whether digital or film emulsion, you will know what it means to add a little density or adjust the color and contrast. Out of thousands and thousands of frames I might be able to show you one that appears distinctly different from the original. Would that be representative? What would be representative would be to show you a frame that is exactly what was laid down on the negative. I am rather tired of the concept that you can create an image in the DI suite. Maybe we should be talking about 'Lion King' or a 'How to Train your Dragon'.

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