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Lighting suggestions (7 replies and 4 comments)

TommyRocket
2 years ago
TommyRocket 2 years ago

Hello everyone!

Greetings from South Africa. First off this website is incredible and I would like to thank Mr. Deakins and everyone else that contributes to such an incredibly useful resource. Knowledge is most useful when liberated and shared.

I'm preparing for a shoot for an Ad that has a limited budget. We start off with close-ups of 2 wrestlers staring each other down with snarls. Then we cut to the wide where a Pinata is revealed between them, they both bash away at it and have tons of fun and the whole thing turns silly and fun. Each subject will be isolated in their own pool of light. The same shape light as the famous shot in "The Man Who Wasn't There" (pic A). (I've read the forums relating to that set up) This light will be directly above them. 

I'm using the Amria with a couple wide Ultra primes (16mm + 32mm). To achieve the sharp hard light I will be using Tungsten Source 4 spots rigged above with a Hazer/smoke machine. The director wants to see bare fluorescent bulbs in shot as the motivated source of the light. I will use 2ft kino bulbs for this. I'm using Kino 4x4s to fill in the shadows and background if need be. But we are going with a high contrast, dark dingy underground fight scene. And will use a few small 100w dedos to light the textured background. 

My only concern is the beams may not be wide enough So I may rig mirrors up above the subjects and use the source 4's bounced into the mirror. Or possibly build a goalpost rig. The location is quite tight and we don't have much space at all. There are rafters we can rig off. And I would need to control the angle of the beam as the lights only offer an angle of 15-30 degrees. Which means rigging higher or using mirrors. I've attached a few pics to get the idea across. 

Anything I should think about or consider? Any suggestions or ideas? please excuse my terrible sketches! 

 

All the best. 

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Roger Deakins
2 years ago
Roger Deakins 2 years ago

I think you might have a problem with shadows cast by the fluorescent lights that are supposed to be the source for the shot.

If you do want really sharp 'pools' of light and your space is really limited you might try using 2K Fresnels without the lenses.

brasfoto
2 years ago

Please Roger, would a 2K Openface work as a 2K Fresnel without the lens ? If not, why ?

jordanwarren
2 years ago
jordanwarren 2 years ago

Not that I have any experience because I dont, but why would the director want a spot light effect shown from a bank of fluorescent lights which as far as i'm aware do not produce that type of light?

Wouldn't it be better to sling the source 4's in frame so the audience can see that the light producing the spot is in fact a spot light? 

 

That said if you have to do it the way you've mentioned, could you not hang the Kinos low in frame, in front of the two actors and pinata, but in front of the camera, and use a kind of forced perspective to make it look like the kino's are producing the spots?

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TommyRocket
2 years ago

Hi Yea I agree and that is why I was unsure. But we want to cheat it with the forced perspective you were mentioned. I'm going to test the 2k without the lenses and see how sharp I can get the light. Thank you for your response 🙂

Roger Deakins
2 years ago
Roger Deakins 2 years ago

You could use perspective to cheat it if your camera isn't going to move very much.

You could also use light fixtures that are Fluorescent but are in housings that direct the light down into 'pools'. That way you might just use the fluorescent lights and no source 4s.

TommyRocket
2 years ago

Thank you very much. I will do a few tests this week and post results of the final product. Thank you again! All the best.

Roger Deakins
2 years ago
Roger Deakins 2 years ago

An open face light will not be as sharp as a Fresnel without a lens. That's just down to the bulb shape and the difference in reflectors.

brasfoto
2 years ago

Nice, now I know what I am going for. And why.
Thanks Roger.

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