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Red Dead Redemption 2 - train robbery - The Assassination of Jesse James (9 replies and 7 comments)

Z0SH
1 week ago
Z0SH 1 week ago

Hello Roger,

first of all I wanted to thank you for your talk a few weeks back at HFF München, I came from far away to attend and it was a pleasure 'meeting you'.

You were talking about the train robbery scene there and while I was playing the new Red Dead Redemption 2 game by Rockstar I stumbled across a scene, that played hommage to the very same scene in 'the Assassination of Jesse James'.

They even recreated the light rays moving through the trees, placing the foot on the rails, pushing away the camera in front of the train etc.

Watch it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRCSO_Tcal4»

I wanted to tell you as I thought they did a great job and I feel its really cool that such an iconic scene with all the creative ideas you had for it back then now got referenced in such a beautiful and truly remarkable video game.

While we are at it: how exactly did you pull off the shot with the camera being pushed away by the train? I figure it was mounted on a cart on the rails. But how was it possible to get such 'minimal' shaking?

Cheers.

Roger Deakins
1 week ago
Roger Deakins 1 week ago

The camera was hand held lying on a piece of Styrofoam. We were on the back of a flat car which was heavy enough not to be 'bumped' by the train but we had some heavy foam rigged on the back of the flat car just to lessen the impact.

Brant
1 week ago
Brant 1 week ago

I'm not sure I'd refer to that as an "homage", especially since the revenue the product will likely generate could rival or exceed that of the film it's copying.  We're all inspired by others' work but that game goes well beyond in my opinion, unless of course some rights were granted.

Roger Deakins
5 days ago
Roger Deakins 5 days ago

Could exceed? That would not be hard!

Brant
5 days ago

That’s pretty funny.

Dan Keeble
5 days ago
Dan Keeble 5 days ago

Once released, Red Dead Redemption 2 video game made over $725 million in revenue in three days. 

Mike
4 days ago

I am flabbergasted that the production company sold the rights to copy the film in the first place. Must have been done soon after JJ film was released as lawyers take years to finalise deals like this.

jthomsg
2 days ago
jthomsg 2 days ago

The video game industry has beat the film industry by a wide margin, both mediums are slowly integrating. Newer games have pretty amazing stories, such as the newer Tomb Raider games. In about 10 years or less, virtual gaming will be so refined, that people will be able to be the star of their own movie. They will no longer be watching Tom Cruise save the day in a movie theater, they will experience every moment of intense action through a virtual headset.

Think about how people in ‘The Matrix’ were able to connect to an entire new world, this is what the future of entertainment will be like. Film attendance has only decreased by the year, the entire viewing experience will inevitably be on demand for anyone to order like a (pay per view) or in some kind of subscription plan like Netflix. The only theaters that will be left will be smallrevival houses that show older films; this is fact. I actually appreciate certain games, and find them more appealing than the films that are being put out today. Imagine, you are now able to actually live a cinematic experience, as oppose to watch it from the sidelines. 

David W
1 day ago

Sadly i fear you might be right, ive seen articles showing that film attendance is decreasing. However i think its important not to predict the future by saying cinema will go out of business as an absolute.

All we have right now are predictions, not solid evidence. Our world is a crazy place, anything can happen in the far future you never really know until it happens.

jthomsg
1 day ago

It’s not going out of business! It’s changing the way films are presented.

David W
1 day ago

My mistake, I misinterpreted what you said.

Roger Deakins
1 day ago
Roger Deakins 1 day ago

'Live a cinematic experience'. What is life?

jthomsg
1 day ago
jthomsg 1 day ago

With respect, the cinematic medium is terribly outdated. It’s not like the 1930s, where it was the only form of entertainment. Movie theaters have become a neuisance, more often than not people have to overpay for lousy movies and concession food 4x the price of its normal retail price. Plus the threat of mass shootings have made people unsettled. (At least here in the states, not in Texas, I myself carry a concealed Walther PPK sl .22). 

Plus oculous headsets will become inexpensive, and if anyone has worn one, it’s as if you’re sitting before an actual theater screen. 

There was a scene in Christopher Nolan’s ‘Inception’, where people chose to live in a dream world, “the dream has become their reality”. I believe is the direct film quote. 

Brant
1 day ago
Brant 1 day ago

Is the medium leading this decline, or is it the filmmaking?  Playing an immersive game is a fundamentally different sort of experience than being told a story.  Storytelling is maybe the oldest art form the species has, and we thrive on it when it's done well.  My experience has been that the craft of storytelling is in a state of decline, which seems parallel other states of decline we are witnessing around us.  It may be a function of the corporate structure and what, and who, it is elevating to create it, or it may be just another mirror on society in general.

To me a video game experience which requires me to interact, make decisions to effect an outcome, is a fundamentally different animal.  Even if I like that (and I don't really) I still have a separate desire to be moved by a good story which is told, and I think it's a universal need.  There just aren't too many people making "Shawshank's" anymore.

Mike
1 day ago

Very nice work Brant, superb photography and lighting. Assume you used the same camera and lenses on these. Glass blowing was my favourite.

Brant
1 day ago

Thank you Mike! I found Roger's website a few years ago when doing a web search for the lighting in True Grit, because at the time I only knew how to light interviews, and I came up in news. Made quite a difference for me! (and very grateful for this website)
You're right, most of what's there is Alexa Mini and the old Zeiss Super Speeds, though a few shots are Master Primes and a little Cooke anamorphic. Ironically the glass blowing bit was my cheap old Nikons, but with the Mini and nice light it's still alright :). For the $ and weight, the old Supers look very good on the Alexa, though not as pristine as the Masters of course.

jthomsg
1 day ago
jthomsg 1 day ago

Here is an article that explains most of the issues regarding the steady decline in film attendance.

https://www.businessinsider.com/movie-theater-attendance-is-declining-as-cord-cutting-becomes-more-popular-2016-9»

I have not see anything in a movie theater this entire year, and I will stay away from that place for a long time. Just a few days ago I saw an impressive film noir that was presented by Eddie Mueller on TCM. The film is called 'The Sniper' (1952), and it tells the story of a frustrated man who hates women and goes on a murderous rampage in the city of San Francisco. The subject was treated with dignity and it raised awareness of how society generates these monsters through systematic abuse, and of course other mental health disorders. The film was very much relevant with all the shootings that are happening today and quite disturbing. 

In my opinion, all the greatest films have been made already, there's a whole universe of films that haven't even been discovered. So why waste my time with something like 'A Star is Born', what do I care about  some depressed celebrity who falls in love with Lady Gaga. Those films are out of touch. They're tailor-made for women. I'll only watch anything that Roger does and Paul Thomas Anderson, but aside from that, I'm not going to even bother anymore. 

And look at how VR is quickly changing, the level of interaction is quite amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0URewFIB-8»

 

https://innotechtoday.com/hollywood-in-the-world-of-streaming/»

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