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Sarath R
6 months ago
Sarath R 6 months ago

Hi guys ....

                 Actually last year I finished my degree ...Now I want to study cinematography in best film school ..Can you guys suggest some best film schools around the world ..

The Byre
6 months ago
The Byre 6 months ago

USC School of Cinematic Arts

NYU Tisch School of the Arts

NFTS London

and my favorite - save your money and pick up a camera and get going!   

The school of 'Roll up Your Sleeves and Get Going' is possibly the most popular school out there and was attended by such luminaries as C.Nolan, Stanley Kubrick, Ethan Coen, Q.Tarantino and Mr.Spielberg himself.   

Here for my money is one of the best 'skinnies' on how to enter the school of RUYSAGG - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-YpfievjSk»

Apart from all that, read everything out there and always think "How did they get that shot?" when watching a movie.

Also ALWAYS remember that to make movies, you must be a people person - making movies is a huge team effort and even a lowly no-budget project will require people.

jthomsg
6 months ago
jthomsg 6 months ago

Forget everything you know about movies, everything is going to change so drastically in the immediate future, that the old methodical way of making films will become absolutely quaint. The current model is outdated, and what will inevitably happen is that films will just become streaming content, without the necessity of releasing them in movie theaters. What you see now, is nothing but tent-poles that studios live or die by, and right now they are dying. It’s only inevitable that we’ll see movies become more interactive with virtual reality; a needed innovation that has not happened. It’s only natural for movies to evolve; as in silent to talkies, from academy ratio to wide vision. But now films are no longer considered competitive against Silicon Valley ; Netflix changed everything. So, what is something Netflix can’t do that will make people excited about big time storytelling? The innovation will have to be drastic.

Of course there is the indie scene; but it’s overrun by millennials who are offended by everything and everyone who don’t share their extremist left-wing views. That includes judges for film competitions, you have to be like them and suck on their ass to be accepted. Sundance, Tribeca, Nichol Fellowship, Austin — all have the same political agenda. 

I believe cinema should be an extremely personal, close-door experience. The way Bergman or Tarkovsky would work, a very small and private creation, it should be a thing of solitude and discovery. But it isn’t that way, film sets are more often than not bloated with egotistical people, annoying people who are overpaid and do nothing for the movie. But then again, who would want to see those films anymore, the world has changed so much with technology. I consider today’s cinema irrelevant, lost in an ocean of so much content.

The Byre
6 months ago

I've been hearing juvenile rants like that for over 50 years and I just point out that we have been telling complete and non-interactive stories in three acts for thousands of years.
Nobody will go to concerts anymore because of radio. Nobody will go to the theatre because of films. Nobody will go to see films anymore or listen to the radio because of television. Nobody will watch television anymore because of Netflix. Nobody will watch Netflix anymore because of virtual reality. Nobody will want virtual reality because of total reality. Nobody will want total reality because of immersive experience technology.
Well, I've got news for you - radio is more popular than ever. Theatres are full. Music concerts are selling out. And movie houses are still packing them in. The three-act story is in rude health!
As for overpaid and bloated egos - just who are we talking about here? The focus puller? The carpenters? The gaffa? The mic boy? Actors?
Who? Yes, some key players get paid well, but this hardly sounds like any film set I've ever been on!

jthomsg
6 months ago
jthomsg 6 months ago

Every major blockbuster has flopped. From Godzilla to X-Men Dark Phoenix, Shaft, and the list goes on. Everything is down 9% from last years box office and it won’t get better. Originality has been replaced by tent pole movies, franchises that need to do well internationally. Are you insane? I’ve worked in a major movie theater company, they make most of their revenue from concession sales. They bloat up popcorn and soda, you end up spending $11 bucks for a small bag of pop corn and Coca Cola. And most Americans have their own home theater, which also factors in, in declining box office sales. Plus illegal downloading of u released films. The current film distribution model is broken and outdated. 

jthomsg
6 months ago
jthomsg 6 months ago

If you look at the budget of a major film production, the costs are incredibly inflated. They should go back to the old days, where everything is made in a studio on a green screen, filming on location and building sets that will be destroyed once the sequences are shot is a complete waste of money. This is what I mean about today’s big budget films, they overpay the actors and pamper them with fame and attention, when audiences don’t care that much about the actors snore. If they’re selling huge explosions and super hero battles, it hardly matters who’s behind the mask. Actors should be paid much less, this isn’t the Golden Era where Clark Gable or Marilyn Monroe was enough to sell a movie, nobody cares. It’s all so laughable how tradition has killed the movies. Anybody who still thinks the way you do will become a thing of the past, a forgotten relic like all those silent film actors who faded away into obscurity.

if cinema doesn’t change, it will completely die out, which wouldn’t be a bad thing if you ask me. What everyone has done in the last 10 years is an embarrassment for o the true art that was made by poets like Bergman, Tarkovsky, and even Wim Wenders. That poetry isn’t there anymore. It’s lost. 

ravikantrai
6 months ago

That's a bit too cynical. I don't think cinema will completely die out. When you say what everyone has done in the last 10 years is an embarrassment for the 'true art' made by the names you mention, I disagree again because there are great filmmakers (IMO) like Christopher Nolan, Coen Brothers, Alejandro Iñárritu, Jacques Audiard, Matteo Garrone, Andrey Zvyagintsev, I could go on and on and on. Nothing's lost.

jthomsg
6 months ago
jthomsg 6 months ago

Christopher Nolan! You make me laugh! With his pompous hair-do and arrogance, he’s nowhere near as good he thinks he is. And the Coens are burned out, they made great films, but I haven’t liked anything else they’ve made since True Grit. (2010)? 

Sarath R
6 months ago

Guys really thanks for the replies ...but can you guys please suggest some best film schools around the world ? cheap and best would really helpful...

David W
6 months ago

Hahah that escalated didn't it.

The Byre
6 months ago
The Byre 6 months ago

Without knowing you and without knowing what it is that you want to achieve, it is a bit difficult, so I shall make some wild assumptions - you are female, in your 20s, want to become a movie director or cinematographer and I shall further assume that you only speak English and you are a US citizen.  If any of that is not true, I apologise in advance!

Another thing I must mention is that vocational degree courses are everywhere and most of them are rubbish.  For example, in my former field of audio and film scoring, there are possibly ten schools around the World worth attending and only one in the UK (Surrey Tonmeister) but we have nearly 140 universities in the UK offering audio production/music production courses, nearly all of which are pretty much a waste of time and money!

The same applies to film.  There are three absolute top schools providing excellent tuition (NFTS, USC and NYU) and most importantly, are excellent for networking and getting close links to the industry.

There are of course many other first-class schools around the World but they are in French, German, Polish, Czech, etc.

(If you speak French, La Fémis in Paris at about $14k p.a. is a World-class film school and if you speak German Die Hochschule für Fernsehen und Film München is also worth considering.)

But there are three outstanding schools that offer courses in English that I hear great things about -

Beijing Film Acadamy at about $14k p.a.

Lodz Film School (Poland) at about $15k p.a.  

FAMU in Prague at around $22k p.a.

All three are in fast-growing markets and I hear that BFA is vast and has many international visiting lecturers, professors and fellows.  

Just remember that even after attending a film school for either graduate or post-graduate education, you will still be at the bottom rung of the ladder.   At some point, you are going to have to attend the school of 'Roll up Your Sleeves and Get Going'  - good luck!

jthomsg
6 months ago
jthomsg 6 months ago

I mean if your parents are wealthy, go to film school so you can get a worthless filmmaking degree and leave with 100k dollars in debt. No one will still hire you based on that alone. There’s a vast network of aspiring filmmakers, everyone wants to be a filmmaker. That’s the problem. And I feel, everyone is being taught to light the same way, only the elder cinematographers who grew up shooting on actual film are the true masters that remain in the industry.

There’s just no hope for the younger filmmakers, they don’t know Jack shit. Has anyone seen movies by John Huston? Movies don’t have to look cool with a bunch of neon lights, they can look plain and simple, like the African Queen or Treasure of the Sierra Madre. The storytelling was strong. The very core basics are what makes strong storytelling. Things are just getting too fancy, because everyone is thinking too big. Look at the films made in the 1940s, they are so much better than the stuff they make now, and they were shot in a studio with no real locations! Interior after interior, studios knew how to control their budgets. ‘My Darling Clementine’ (1946) watch it, and see how it’s done. 

The best films have already been made, it’s why I believe people like me don’t belong in the movie business. Tradition is the enemy of progress; and obviously filmmaking is not what it used to be, it’s heading toward a completely different path, a destructive path driven by greed and with zero regard for the past films created by true greats. Nobody really respects it. Liberals are even targeting “racism”, they even removed Lillian Gish from her old college theater for acting in “Birth of A Nation”.

These are the kind of college teachers you will get; ANTIFA sympathizers who want to censor your freedom of speech. I bet most students are making documentaries about illegal immigrants suffering in the southern border and blaming Trump. When in fact, it was the illegal migrants themselves who were funded to reach the border with the intent to break the law, they brought their own children by traveling thousands of miles to use them in order to make asylum claims. They were already riddled with diseases when they reached the border, and they blame every dying person on Trump. And who funded these caravans? Documentaries don’t investigate this, they’re lopsided, you’ll see them all over Vimeo. Garbage! 

 

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