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"Dune" & the multiple "180° rule" violations (4 replies)

4 months ago
montjo 4 months ago

Hi Roger & Folks,

I watched "Dune" 3 times now and noticed multiple violations of the 180° rule for dialogue coverage. It strangely didn't interrupt the flow for me, but since it's a cardinal rule for continuity, I wonder what you think about that, as an operating cameraman.

I mean, remember the time when flares were forbidden, and now it's more than OK. I love the audacity to break this sacred rule on a much awaited blockbuster. I cannot think it's a mistake because it's obviously a heavily storyboarded shoot (I'll ask Greig Fraser in a podcast).

But I wonder if it will change anything in the way *you* will frame dialogs in the future. More freely, perhaps? And how to decide when the rule can be broken?
Thanks a lot for your total commitment to cinematography !

Pascal Montjovent


4 months ago
BM459 4 months ago

I know many cinematographers don't believe in the 180 degree rule. I have heard Derek Cianfrance talk about Sean Bobbitt not believing in it, which is pretty evident in his work on something like 'The Place Beyond The Pines' which is fantastically well shot. 

4 months ago
dmullenasc 4 months ago

It matters when it matters, when the viewer would be confused (non-deliberately) as to who is talking to whom in a distracting way.  It's just a part of screen geography, sometimes it matters, sometimes it doesn't.

A cinematographer should be aware of it if only to avoid wasting time after finishing a camera and lighting set-up and telling the AD that they are ready, only to have it all changed because suddenly the director and script supervisor have decided that the screen direction is wrong.  So you have to understand it so that you, the director, and the script supervisor agree before the shot is set-up whether it matters. If I know I'm going to have to break the rule, for whatever reason, I inform the director and the script supervisor in advance of the set-up, not after I'm done.

The Byre
2 months ago
The Byre 2 months ago

There is a piece here that explains how Geig Fraser maintained continuity - from 'Studio-Binder' - part two examining other aspects of the film to follow.»

Jim Cullen
2 months ago
Jim Cullen 2 months ago

I think wider shots can cross the line but generally when cutting between singles they should be shot on the same side 

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