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(Discussion) A haunting Goya's painting, how can we recreat this effect on a shot? (4 replies and 2 comments)

CamiloTC
2 months ago
CamiloTC 2 months ago

This work by famous painter Francisco Goya has that efffect, where the traits of the face are being diffused. And I wanted to open this discussion for all, to get ideas flowing, on how to recreate this style of painting in a moving shot. 

I was thinking that maybe a deformed glass or a vitro glass, or even some types of papers. 

 

P.S: sorry for my bad english.

https://www.rogerdeakins.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/1935.8_tio-paquete.jpg
Mike
2 months ago
Mike 2 months ago

I think you need a good make up artist before you start lighting. But diffusion could be the answer here. Start with a 350 watt bounce source and work your way up. I think that this painting was originally much brighter and has aged over the years so perhaps it needs a good clean. You could say it’s out of focus but it was painted inside a studio with limited light from above hence the dismal appearance.

There are many ways you can light this face so experiment using household bulbs before you spend your cash.

Mike
2 months ago
Mike 2 months ago

Various examples Goya lighting 

https://www.rogerdeakins.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/92E7EAC0-05C5-4338-BDA1-91379E6093D2.jpeg
https://www.rogerdeakins.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/7C45918F-4656-4389-A5C6-507B97CE947A.jpeg
https://www.rogerdeakins.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/1275511F-326B-4C8D-9813-D695B762D585.jpeg
https://www.rogerdeakins.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/F100870F-5FBA-4086-B420-66B932AA8747.jpeg
CamiloTC
2 months ago

Thanks Mike, I appreciate the words of wisdom, I haven't thought on the use of make up, maybe to enhace the paintings and shadows of the face.

In the other hand, sorry for my bad use of technichal terms, but what I mean when I say diffusion was the using of pieces of glass between the camera and the actor to recreate that effect where you can see the trace of the pincel

kinda like vaseline were used on camera lenses for female shots.

Mike
2 months ago

Never use Vaseline on lenses or filters, it is Petroleum based. In the old days they used Brylcreem being water based and safer. They rubbed their hair and applied the cream to plain glass filters. Then special filters were manufactured and the practice ceased. Apply make up foundation to your actor to achieve the tone you require and then apply heavy skin tone around the chin as per painting and some around the eyes too. Paint the teeth aswell for effect. I would try cellophane to distort the image but there are many things you can use. Keep experimenting until you get it right, then play around with the lighting. With carefully applied make up you can get very close to that image, filters etc will not do it on their own. Have a look at the U.K. TV series “Taboo” with Tom Hardy. They employed some of the best make up artists around.

Roger Deakins
2 months ago
Roger Deakins 2 months ago

You might try shooting through a piece of hand made glass or the bottom of a milk bottle perhaps. Any glass with variation within it will give you some distortion. You could similarly shoot into a distorting mirror.

Rob-Webster
2 months ago
Rob-Webster 2 months ago

Some flemish glass close to the camera can give interesting distortion effects. 

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