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Filter talk: Pro Mist vs Glimmer glass (5 replies and 15 comments)

Rpedro
2 months ago
Rpedro 2 months ago

I have been trying to find the differences between a tiffen pro mist and the tiffen glimmer glass. 

From what I gathered the glimmer keeps the blacks and the contrast a little better than the pro mist. But I am not sure. 

I couldn't really find a proper answer. I found of course a post on cinematographer from 2013 where M. David Mullen talks about pro mist filters. 

But I thought it would be interesting to ask the question here as to when use which filter. In what situations: night/day, and so on.

Thanks already to all

forbyfiev
2 months ago
forbyfiev 2 months ago
Rpedro
2 months ago

Thanks forbyfiev! 🙂

dmullenasc
2 months ago
dmullenasc 2 months ago

I pasted together a frame grab from the Vimeo demo.

Keep in the mind that the numbers don’t mean much between two different designs — originally when the GlimmerGlass came out, the #1 was the lightest so is close to a #1/4 Black ProMist in heaviness.

Also, you don’t have to get too picky about the black level thing unless you are not going to color-correct digitally where black level can be reset to “zero”. What matters more is the degree of detail softening you want and the degree and texture  of halation you want.

https://www.rogerdeakins.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/AC697E5B-20E2-4FAF-BAB9-8F1E8F4B5A55.jpeg
Rpedro
2 months ago
Rpedro 2 months ago

Thanks David.

Did you actually used a pro mist or glimmerglass on Maisel?

Or was is just smoke? I added a still as an example.

https://www.rogerdeakins.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/maisel.jpg
dmullenasc
2 months ago

Smoke/haze plus Schneider Hollywood Black Magic filters most of the time. But some scenes I use Schneider Black Frost, which is similar to Tiffen Black ProMist. I shot two features with Tiffen GlimmerGlass, “The Astronaut Farmer” and “Akeelah and the Bee”.

dmullenasc
2 months ago

Even rarer, some scenes use a Tiffen Black Diffusion/FX when I want softening but no halation around lights.

dmullenasc
2 months ago

If a set gets hazy enough, I sometimes only use a 1/8 Black Frost (or no filter) because the haze is softening definition enough.

Rpedro
2 months ago

Thanks David.

I'm always so thankful for how you share you knowledge and always take the time to reply. I sincerely appreciate it.

The Austronaut Farmer has been on my list for a while. I am going to try to find it.

Rpedro
2 months ago

Just as a side note and not really a question: but I noticed that Schneider filters are used a bit in the States, while in Europe, I come more across the Xenon lenses than the filters.

I wonder how come.

Did you ever try the Xenons?

dmullenasc
2 months ago

No haven't tried them.

Rpedro
2 months ago
Rpedro 2 months ago

Or here: 

 

https://www.rogerdeakins.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/maisel2.jpg
dmullenasc
2 months ago

That was a Schneider Hollywood Black Magic. Which is a “combo” filter design - it combines a base “mist” filter, the 1/8 Black Frost, with degrees of softening from an HD Classic Soft. Tiffen makes a similar combo diffusion, the Black Satin, which I believe uses a GlimmerGlass for its mist effect and degrees of Diffusion/FX for softening.

Rpedro
2 months ago

That is really interesting. I'm going to look further into those filters.

And again, thank you David.

AndrewRogers
2 months ago
AndrewRogers 2 months ago

Hello, I would like to know what is a standard 4x5.6 Filter Kit or couple Filters you should carry with you when shooting any project?

A.R.

dmullenasc
2 months ago

I don't have a standard approach though I've used Hollywood Black Magics quite a bit in the past decade. I rent for a show but I do own the lightest versions of a number of diffusion filters just in case I want a certain effect (I have the lightest Fog, Double Fog, Pearlescent, Black Frost, White Frost, Hollywood Black Magic, etc.)

AndrewRogers
2 months ago

Thank you for that information Mr. Mullen.

AndrewRogers
2 months ago

Out of all the filter types you just listed which one do you find yourself using the most when shooting outside in the sun?

dmullenasc
2 months ago

There’s nothing particular about being outside that would determine what diffusion filter to use if any, other than depth of field (if too deep, the pattern in some filters can come into focus). In terms of halation / flaring that depends on the situation like if you’re pointing at sunlight glaring off of the ocean, etc. You pick a filter, if at all, based on the effect you want to achieve, otherwise you don’t need to use a filter.

dmullenasc
2 months ago

Some diffusion filters react differently on longer focal lengths, or at the opposite end, on very wide-angle lenses when you might have a lot of depth of field. A “mist” diffusion with fine particles in the glass might be less prone to odd artifacts from using very short or very long focal lengths as opposed to a filter with a larger pattern of, let’s say, lenslets like in a Classic Soft.

AndrewRogers
2 months ago

Got it. Thank you again for the information.

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