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Complicated Camera Roll & Pan Question (2 replies and 3 comments)

Naaberle
6 months ago
Naaberle 6 months ago

I have a complicated camera move in a project I'd like to get started at some point, but seeing as this move happens in the first 5 minutes it's been a mental obstacle to me even starting it. It's a personal project so it's all on me to get it going. 

The camera would start upside down just a few inches from the ground and as an actor enters the room and approaches the camera would roll CCW while moving left and up. It would reach shoulder height as the actor gets to it and then move around behind so we're now looking over the actors shoulder. I hope to use either Blackmagic Pocket or Cinema Camera but wondered what sort of gear would allow this movement. None of the steadicam vests I've looked at allow for roll on the Z axis, especially not from just above the ground. 

Any advice or insight into this move would be awesome. If necessary I could story board, or take a quick video with my phone to better illustrate the move. 

Cheers,

-Nik

Connor Ryan
6 months ago
Connor Ryan 6 months ago

I'm pretty sure you could do this with a remote control on a DJI Ronin or Movi gimbal. You could rent one of the smaller ones to use with a BMPCC for a fairly cheap price.

I'm fairly certain you could do such a roll with those 3 axis gimbals, but you might want a teradek or something of that sort to monitor (though you could certainly get away with it).

The last thing you could do is attach the gimbal to a small jib (such as a Kessler pocket jib, which has a load capacity of 10lbs, enough for a ronin-m, bmpcc and lens). This would ensure a much more precise vertical motion. You could also have the jib on a dolly if you wanted to actually dolly left as you jib up, but you could always just pan and let the gimbal compensate (which would feel like a dolly left). Of course you would need someone to operate the rig and someone on remote control. And you could probably get pretty decent motion without a jib, just with someone moving the gimbal manually...

Connor Ryan
6 months ago

I missed the part where the camera moves behind the actor. That would make a jib less feasible unless you were on a dolly. You would probably be best off with a gimbal operator (better yet if the gimbal is supported with an easy-rig) and remote control operator for the camera axis/direction. It sounds like it could be a significant challenge focus wise as well depending on the lens and aperture. You might end up wanting a remote focus system...

Naaberle
5 months ago

Hey Connor, thanks for the input. I had thought about a ronin but have no experience with one. The person I asked that uses it at work said the Z roll is a quite loose as it's trying to re-find its balance which was why I had figured against it. Any insight into this?

Focus shouldn't be too big of deal, I plan to set a FF at 3ft and as close as the lens allows. So when the guy hits the 3 ft mark he'll be in focus and as it pans up and around his face will focus before settling over his shoulder to focus at 3ft again at what is against the wall. I have a feeling it sounds way easier than it actually will be.

Freddo
5 months ago
Freddo 5 months ago

I imagine a well balanced Glidecam and some footwork could do this.

Naaberle
5 months ago

Hey Freddo, I've never used a Glidecam. Do they allow a roll in the Z axis? Or can you hold it upside down and smother turn it over?

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