Coin Toss Scene Could possible to shot on hundreds of ways (14 replies and 7 comments)
Master roger i watched NCFOM. Something glimmering on my mind about coin toss scene. For me it's quit good shot constructed scene. I can't think of that scene with camera movement also. But you always said there are hundreds of ways to shot on any scene. Now a days if you asked to shoot same coin toss scene how do you shoot? Would you shot the scene in different ways. In my opinion the shot works well on OTS. If it's the scene were shot on only singles it may not work! What do you think?
The scene could be shot in many ways and each would result in something subtlety different. Would it work in singles? Depends on how you define 'work'. That is a director's call.
Yeah could be shot in many ways. But of it's not correct then it won't work for audience right? But sometimes it works. I don't know how it works! Some directors leave the all camera works in cinematographer hands. They don't involve in camera work. Few directors involve very much in camera angle, lensing and movement. Like Denis Villeneuve! I think you might crossed both kind of experiences. Which experience you do like?
Denis is very involved in the choice of a shot! The majority of directors are, in my experience.
Why does one way of shooting a scene work and another doesn't? That is the magic of film.
Master roger why did you shot some clean singles in this scene. I know it's been discussed previously. But my question is subtlety different. OTS shot tend to put the thirty party observer and clean single shot audience directly contact with the characters. In this clean singles case did you want the audience directly contact with the characters. how much audiences are really so aware of OTS and clean single shot. What is the major psychological difference audience get while they watch both shots!
Could you please consider above questions. I think this is not director oriented questions!
Dear master roger i wanna ask about the Carson meet anton scene.what focal length did you use for Anton and Carson. I am sure you used longer focal length for anton than carson.The scene start from Carson OTS and end with Carson OTS. Why did you made that choice. Let me guess something in this case i felt Carson also police officer right? He may shoot the anton at anytime. When I watch final OTS of Carson, my mind think Carson going to do something for save his life. I think that is the power of the shot!.
You are asking questions that really should go to the director. I remember covering Carson with both the over and single shot. Carson is a hired killer not a policeman BTW. He thought he had it all worked out but now he is trapped and he knows it. I think that is the point of Cormac's story. Like the character Ellis says, to imagine the future is 'vanity'.
I am sorry for misunderstood Carson character. What focal length you used for both Carson and anton
To me that longer focal length at the end works because it condenses the space and shows you just how close Chigurh is to Carson as he has the gun aimed at him, it's communicating the idea that there's simply no way Carson could ever get away, and there's a tension in the framing that anticipates Chigurh shooting him which you might not get if the perspective felt more 'open'.
I have to say that I don't think the over is shot on a longer lens. I am pretty sure the singles would have been shot on a 35mm or a 40mm and the over is probably a 27mm. That was the range of lenses I used on 'No Country for Old Men' and I don't tend to stray far for a scene like this!
Could you remember give below three shots focal lengths. As you said Carson over 27mm, and Anton single shot 40mm, and Carson single 32mm. If my assumption wrong correct me master roger.
I was suggesting that both Anton and Carson's close up were shot on the same lens, probably a 40mm. I would not have shot one on a 32 and another on a 40 in that situation.
Master roger i am just curious Why didn't you make the choice Anton character was little more presence rather than Carson and anton equal weight. Because anton was stronger than Carson in that scene. I wanna ask one more questions about single shot and OTS. It's for any movie. You said once Clean single shot put the audience in direct contact with the character. OTS tend to put an audience in the place of an observer. My doubt clean single shot person speaks with opposite person. I mean the preson looking opposite(eye line) character. The character not looking exactly lens. Then how audience directly contact with the character. How much audiences are really so aware of such psychological impact difference. I believe i did convey my question clearly!
Maybe you are right and it makes no difference to the audience whether the shot is a single or an over. We all have our own opinions, which is why there are so many way to tell a story with images.
If I ask anything immature please apologize me master roger. Might be i am wrong. I like very much NCFOM shot the way. Now i am thinking parellely what result would come this scene shot by another way. For instance gas station scene and Carson anton meeting.